Massimo Pigliucci is a childish, raging, foaming at the mouth fundamentalist with a cavalier attitude toward the substance, rationality and coherence of his arguments

Yesterday, Massimo Pigliucci wrote a post titled “PZ Myers is a witless wanker who peddles pablum.” Pigliucci says he didn’t really mean it, but was just imitating PZ’s overblown rhetoric to make the point that it’s a bad thing. My title is an imitation of Massimo’s approach to post-titling, since he uses all the words above to describe PZ in apparent seriousness.

Actual issue at question was the attempt by Tennessee father to ban a biology textbook with the following statement:

In the 1970s and 1980s, antievolutionists in Arkansas, Tennessee and Louisiana passed identical bills calling for ‘equal time’ for teaching evolution and creationism, the biblical myth that the universe was created by the Judeo-Christian god in six days. But a court ruled that the ‘equal-time’ bill was unconstitutional on the grounds that it violated the separation of church and state.

The father, you see, didn’t like creationism being called a myth. But PZ’s accusation of witless wanking and pablum peddling wasn’t directed at the father, it was directed at Center for Inquiry blogger Michael De Dora basically agreeing with the father. A month ago I mounted a partial defense of De Dora, suggesting he might just be a bad writer and not motivated by anything pernicious. In this case, though, the shock is hard to convey. CFI is one of the most important organizations in the world for defending secularism and debunking pseudoscience. To find a CFI blogger saying biology texts shouldn’t say anything negative about pseudoscience feels like stepping into a Star Trek-style mirror universe.

De Dora’s argument is that because creationism is a religious idea, science can’t disprove it. He seems to be taking his cues from Pigliucci, whose ideas about this I’ve criticized here, but he takes Pigliucci’s merely misguided nitpicking and draws the seriously absurd conclusion that we can’t say creationism is wrong in science class. Scientists can’t do that unless they “put on the philosopher’s cap,” which you’re not supposed to do in a biology classroom. The silliness of De Dora’s position becomes acute in this paragraph:

Some have argued that teaching the Earth is 4.5 billion years old is the same as denying the Earth is 6,000 years old. But one clearly imparts scientific knowledge; the other clearly denies a religious idea. One is constitutional; the other is not. Scientific knowledge makes many ideas seem crazy, but there is no reason for a high school biology teacher to actually go into denying all of them, specifically the religious ones.

Logically, though, the Earth’s being 4.5 billion years old entails its not being 6,000 years old. This means that by “philosopher’s cap,” what De Dora means is basic logic. Oh, there’s a small philosophical issue there insofar as a few oddballs in the history of philosophy have denied that the logical law of non-contradiction holds, but science would be crippled if scientists had to constantly kowtow to philosophical worries about logic. Is there a single mathematically informed paper that’s ever been written that could still have worked if we took exotic skepticism about logic (and related mathematical principles like “4.5 billion is not 6,000″) seriously?

Also, there’s nothing inherently religious about the idea that the Earth is 6,000 years old. The only sense it in which it is a religious idea and the idea that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old is not is this: The latter is thoroughly supported by all our scientific evidence, while all our scientific evidence points us towards rejecting the latter and as a matter of sociological fact hardly anyone believes the former except because they are in the grip of religious dogma.

The practical absurdity is that you can’t make the evolution-creation issue go away simply by not talking about it. Every high school teacher whose curriculum comes anywhere near a controversial issue knows that they run the risk of getting angry phone calls from parents even if they do their best to avoid the controversy. Thus, in middle school and high school, I never had a teacher who could talk about evolution without a little disclaimer along the lines of “we’re not saying anything’s wrong with creationism, we just want you to understand evolution.” (This problem wasn’t restricted to science class–even our English class’s unit on Greek mythology came with a disclaimer.)

The question is not whether to let creationism be an issue in biology classrooms, but how to address it. I actually think creationism is a wonderful teaching opportunity, given that the creationist literature is so full of false scientific claims and correcting those falsehoods is an excellent way to explain current evolutionary theory and the evidence for it. A great deal of what I know about evolution I owe to popular-level debunkings of the claims of the antievolution movement. What’s De Dora’s objection to that approach to teaching evolution? That instead we should vaguely tell students about the falsehoods “some people” have promoted in an attempt to defend unspecified “non-scientific ideas”?

I won’t say De Dora’s view, if taken seriously, would damage science education in the U.S., because U.S. science education is already in such bad shape. Taking De Dora seriously certainly would impair efforts to improve science education, though, and that’s why I worry about it much more than Pigliucci’s nitpicking.

As for Pigliucci: scroll to his second to last paragraph, and you’ll see him apparently claiming that people who disagree with his philosophical claim are guilty of taking a “cavalier attitude toward the substance, rationality and coherence of one’s arguments.” As fun as it would be to complain about the hypocrisy of throwing insults like this, the real issue is why anyone would make such absurd statements. Why are people who are basically on the same side as Dawkins, Myers, et al. so eager to write firey denunciations of them based on minor disagreements?

I’m not saying the issues shouldn’t be aired, I find them fascinating (much as I find the discussion over Sam Harris’ TED talk, which I largely disagreed with, fascinating). But why try to turn these disagreements into proof that the New (read: Bad) Atheists are screwing everything up? This is very disappointing to see coming from Pigliucci given that, on the one hand, he’s done real good in the fight against creationism, but on the other it’s hard to come up with an interpretation of his behavior here that makes him come out looking good.

EDIT: After a bit of reflection, what bothers me about Massimo’s post is the level of eagerness to trash the people who happen to be some of the most currently successful communicators on science and religion issues. That eagerness is weird and wrong. I could speculate on the causes, but the main thing to notice is how widespread it is. Also, those who are interested can read PZ’s responses to De Dora and Pigliucci here and here.

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  1. “But why try to turn these disagreements into proof that the New (read: Bad) Atheists are screwing everything up?”

    Why indeed. I really don’t know why, but I was the recpient of another example in a comment today, which treated an opening phrase as if it were the sum total of the post, explicitly accusing me of dismissing people with a single phrase when I had done no such thing. This from Massimo Pigliucci! I don’t get it. I’ve been a fan for years, and now this…

  2. I really think it’s a matter of status maneuvering. There’s a perception that the new atheists – Paul Myers above all – are crude and arrogant. While honesty would compel one to explain how this is a false perception, it is awfully tempting to acknowledge the perception and demonstrate that one is not like that. Robert Wright is the master of this, but he is joined by many others.

  3. There’s another problem, too, in addition to some that have been raised elsewhere. That is, if teachers cannot make explicit the sorts of inferences discussed, etc. because they involve “philosophy”, one would have to have a principled, and agreed upon (even if via grumbling under one’s breath) metaphilosophy which makes for a rather clear dividing line. I for one do not know of such a thing – foundational research in any discipline, especially, makes explicit philosophical contact, and (as far as I can tell) there are general concepts (truth, evidence, determination, etc.) that are found in all scientific fields. These are regarded as the traditional domain of many a field of philosophy. There are thus philosophers who think that science and philosophy shade into one another. And of course, this fuzzy boundary is also historically changing, too.

  4. Ophelia, Hallq,

    sorry to have apparently disappointed you, but I really have a hard time understanding why so many people are giving a pass to PZ’s behavior, which should strongly be condemned by the rationalist community on the *sole* basis of language, regardless of any substantive issue. My point is that we can disagree (civilly and even constructively) on the issues, but that PZ’s bullying is not the way to do it. If someone on the other side had used that sort of language we would all (rightly) be outraged by it.

    As for the NA in general, the case is of course harder to make, because there are no sociological data. Still, it seems to me that most (not all) of the NAs have escalated the rhetoric, and indeed that an escalation in tone is pretty much the only “new” thing about the NA. Myers is simply a minor player who hopped on the bandwagon and is now making as much noise as possible in order to be noticed. And unfortunately, it’s working.

    cheers,
    Massimo

  5. Chris Hallquist

    Massimo,

    I think trying to make language the important issue here is odd, but if that’s the issue, don’t you see the hypocrisy of your complaints, given your rhetoric?

  6. Chris, are you sure this is the real Massimo Pigliucci?
    He is normally a clear thinker but, as you said, his own rhetoric is on the same level as those about whom he complains. Perhaps its a Poe trying to discredit Pigliucci by making him appear to be a hypocrite, avoiding substantive points and only appearing interested in the tone (of those who disagree with him).

  7. Chris Hallquist

    The blog has been around for a long time, if it were fake I’m sure the real Massimo would have exposed it by now. And the above comment was posted using the private e-mail address that Massimo has used to e-mail me in the past. So I’m pretty sure both are legit.

  8. Michael Kingsford Gray

    I concur with your blog entry title, even if it was meant ‘in jest’, or as a rhetorical side-swipe.
    Faitheist Accomodationists are providing the enemy with powerful ammunition. Shovelling it to them. Trucking it in to them.
    Ammunition that the indocrinated religiots fire back at we rational folk, with nary a thank-you to the intellectual traitors who supplied it to them.
    Massimo might not like my post for two reasons:
    1) It might upset a pearl-clutching nun
    2) It is TRUE
    Can’t have that now, can we?

  9. Chris Hallquist

    @Michael:

    Not sure this is really giving fundamentalists ammunition, in the sense of giving them new ways to advance their agenda. My worry is more that when people who are broadly on the side of science and reason take nonsense like this seriously, it impairs our ability to mount a response to the fundamentalists.