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	<title>Comments on: Contempt for philosophy breeds contempt for thinking</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Hallquist</title>
		<link>http://www.uncrediblehallq.net/2010/01/19/contempt-for-philosophy-breeds-contempt-for-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-5930</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hallquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physicalist,

Interesting theory. I have a hard time imagining that physics programs are really so bad that they destroy people&#039;s ability to think, but a professor I had last semester did tell me that philosophy of physics is full of refugees from bad physics programs. I initially would have thought Chad&#039;s training would have helped him avoid the screw-up over Zeno&#039;s paradox (doisng physics requires understanding math), but you&#039;re right, it probably works the opposite way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physicalist,</p>
<p>Interesting theory. I have a hard time imagining that physics programs are really so bad that they destroy people&#8217;s ability to think, but a professor I had last semester did tell me that philosophy of physics is full of refugees from bad physics programs. I initially would have thought Chad&#8217;s training would have helped him avoid the screw-up over Zeno&#8217;s paradox (doisng physics requires understanding math), but you&#8217;re right, it probably works the opposite way.</p>
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		<title>By: Physicalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Physicalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice analysis.

I wonder whether part of Chad&#039;s problem might stem from his being a quantum physicist.  Students of quantum mechanics are often actively discouraged from trying to make sense of the theory (e.g., of grappling seriously with the measurement problem), and are told to &quot;shut up and calculate&quot; -- i.e., just get a pragmatic grasp of the theory, and don&#039;t try to figure out what&#039;s really going on.

You can see how this could devalue reason to the point where one might shrug his shoulders at an obvious contradiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analysis.</p>
<p>I wonder whether part of Chad&#8217;s problem might stem from his being a quantum physicist.  Students of quantum mechanics are often actively discouraged from trying to make sense of the theory (e.g., of grappling seriously with the measurement problem), and are told to &#8220;shut up and calculate&#8221; &#8212; i.e., just get a pragmatic grasp of the theory, and don&#8217;t try to figure out what&#8217;s really going on.</p>
<p>You can see how this could devalue reason to the point where one might shrug his shoulders at an obvious contradiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unbelievable that people would attempt to argue that science and religion are compatible in any useful sense by simply pointing to religious scientists, priests who work in science, etc. After all, by the same argument, is smoking healthy? There are physicians who smoke, right?

A similar argument goes through about &quot;political compatibility&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unbelievable that people would attempt to argue that science and religion are compatible in any useful sense by simply pointing to religious scientists, priests who work in science, etc. After all, by the same argument, is smoking healthy? There are physicians who smoke, right?</p>
<p>A similar argument goes through about &#8220;political compatibility&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Orzel is philosophically incompetent &#171; alien eleutheronomy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Orzel is philosophically incompetent &#171; alien eleutheronomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Uncredible HallQ makes similar remarks here. I don&#8217;t have much to add to it, since he makes the very same point I did (minus the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Hallquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hallquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Mark: I think he&#039;s making both errors. There&#039;s a sense in which the second is more central to the piece, but the overall effect of the piece is driver by the first mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Mark: I think he&#8217;s making both errors. There&#8217;s a sense in which the second is more central to the piece, but the overall effect of the piece is driver by the first mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading his remarks in the comments section, he makes his position a little more clear:

1. By &quot;compatibility,&quot; he only refers to psychological compatibility, i.e., the ability for human beings to believe and feel comfortable about believing two things at the same time.
2. Science and religion are compatible in this sense.
3. Politically, this is the only sense of compatibility we should care about and take as actionable.

The third claim is his main thesis, and it&#039;s a little less gross than the position you ascribe to him, namely,

3&#039;. Rationally, this is the only sense of compatibility we should care about,

which masks an extreme relativism. Still, 3. is pretty transparently absurd in itself, and Orzel is basically cornered by his commenters into admitting that it entails science and astrology/homeopathy/alien abductions/etc. are also compatible in all the ways that politically matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading his remarks in the comments section, he makes his position a little more clear:</p>
<p>1. By &#8220;compatibility,&#8221; he only refers to psychological compatibility, i.e., the ability for human beings to believe and feel comfortable about believing two things at the same time.<br />
2. Science and religion are compatible in this sense.<br />
3. Politically, this is the only sense of compatibility we should care about and take as actionable.</p>
<p>The third claim is his main thesis, and it&#8217;s a little less gross than the position you ascribe to him, namely,</p>
<p>3&#8242;. Rationally, this is the only sense of compatibility we should care about,</p>
<p>which masks an extreme relativism. Still, 3. is pretty transparently absurd in itself, and Orzel is basically cornered by his commenters into admitting that it entails science and astrology/homeopathy/alien abductions/etc. are also compatible in all the ways that politically matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelia Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ophelia Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it’s striking how he randomly makes the jump from being contemptuous of philosophy to being contemptuous of the idea that we should strive to have beliefs that actually make sense.&quot;

I was certainly struck by that. &#039;Zeno&#039;s paradox therefore what the hell.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it’s striking how he randomly makes the jump from being contemptuous of philosophy to being contemptuous of the idea that we should strive to have beliefs that actually make sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was certainly struck by that. &#8216;Zeno&#8217;s paradox therefore what the hell.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not entirely clear to me which of two errors he&#039;s committing. On the one hand, he might (as you think) be saying something like, &quot;Science and religion are philosophically incompatible, but lots of obviously compatible things break down upon philosophical investigation, so there&#039;s just something wrong with philosophy.&quot; Since philosophy and everyday reasoning are on a continuum, this would quickly lead to a deep global skepticism. On the other hand, he may just be equivocating between between two different senses of compatibility and be trying to say, &quot;Science and religion are philosophically incompatible, but we mustn&#039;t pretend people can&#039;t embrace both at the same time.&quot; On this reading, he&#039;s still missing an important distinction between logical and psychological compatibility (which renders his entire post a non sequitur), but this is a rather more innocent error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not entirely clear to me which of two errors he&#8217;s committing. On the one hand, he might (as you think) be saying something like, &#8220;Science and religion are philosophically incompatible, but lots of obviously compatible things break down upon philosophical investigation, so there&#8217;s just something wrong with philosophy.&#8221; Since philosophy and everyday reasoning are on a continuum, this would quickly lead to a deep global skepticism. On the other hand, he may just be equivocating between between two different senses of compatibility and be trying to say, &#8220;Science and religion are philosophically incompatible, but we mustn&#8217;t pretend people can&#8217;t embrace both at the same time.&#8221; On this reading, he&#8217;s still missing an important distinction between logical and psychological compatibility (which renders his entire post a non sequitur), but this is a rather more innocent error.</p>
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